Would a live action BW movie be a good idea?

R.Y.N.O. · Unread post by **R.Y.N.O.** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:57 pm

alright, we know that they're making a live action TF movie, so why not a BW movie later on? Besides, we didn't get the original BW movies that China and Japan got.

Dezzy_Devastator01 · Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:33 pm

You can't count your chickens before they hatch. A live action BW movie probably wouldn't even be a thought until they see how well the G1 version fares. Even then trying to market BW to the world might be harder pressings as BW doesn't have the same following G1 did - hence why they only got 3 seasons and then tried and died with beast machines, then went back to the drawing board with more clones of G1 such as that armada and company.

I would like to see a LA BW movie, but if it ever did come about I'm gonna have to think it wouldn't make it to theaters - it'd be one of those straight to your local video store with little to no publicity.

Wicked Woman · Unread post by **Wicked Woman** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:34 pm

We already have a topic for this: viewtopic.php?t=214 !

Yes, I do agree that we should wait and see how the Live Action TF set for 2007 viewing goes. Heck, it could probably take another 10 years before a LA BW movie is even thought up.

Also, rumor has it that it will not be following the G1 era but a new thing.

WW

The Crab · Unread post by **The Crab** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:32 am

Actually, it's a flat-out fact that this new movie is doing it's own thing. Which I like.

New continuities rock.

Jagna · Unread post by **Jagna** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:05 am

i think we should wait and see if the aninmation for the G1 movie is any good, also...coz the animation, although advanced for the time, is rather pitiful, and iv been trying to imagine for years wht the characters would look like if they were real...kinda the point of GC, rite?
ps...wht do u peeps mean by LA BW? all i can think of Los Angeles and tht dosnt make a lick of sense!

EverBlue · Unread post by **EverBlue** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:22 am

Dezzy_Devastator01 wrote:Even then trying to market BW to the world might be harder pressings as BW doesn't have the same following G1 did - hence why they only got 3 seasons and then tried and died with beast machines, then went back to the drawing board with more clones of G1 such as that armada and company.

I don't think it was popularity or lackthereof that made Beast Wars only receive the run it got. Back in his heyday, Beast Wars was a pretty darned popular show. It may not have gotten the massive cult-like status of the original G1 Transformers(and I hate to admit this) but it was a popular show enough to sell toys, produce excellent storylines, and build from scratch a new generation of fans.

What truly ended Beast Wars was a new company policy that was only beginning to emerge for cartoons back in the mid to late 90s. The number '52' became the magical syndication number for cartoons and animated shows. Back then in the late 80s to early 90s, cartoons would receive at least a good 65 episode run before the company decided whether or not to continue the franchise. These days, it's mostly 52 episodes before the network cancels the show and sells it off to other stations for re-runs. Heck, even Armada, Energon, etc. only received the 52 episode rule before ending their runs. Even massively popular shows like Samurai Jack, Batman Beyond, and X-Men: Evolution had to end at 52 episodes. Unfortunately, Beast Wars fell prey to this policy and we never got to a longer, more fulfilling run for the series.

So yeah, I don't believe it was popularity or marketability that ended the Beast Wars franchise. It was company policy and the "business as usual" attitude most of them develop when handling their market goods.

Wicked Woman · Unread post by **Wicked Woman** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:48 pm

Jagna wrote:wht do u peeps mean by LA BW?

LA = Live Action.

Wow... I never knew that. Thanks for the insight Everblue.

WW

Beastbot · Unread post by **Beastbot** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:04 am

Jagna wrote:i think we should wait and see if the aninmation for the G1 movie is any good, also

Ahem:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehost ... c95afe.jpg

...Yyyeeeah, I don't think we have anything to worry about in that area... Michael Bay said there will be literally THOUSANDS of pieces moving around as they transform...

CabooseMoose7103 · Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:08 pm

EverBlue wrote:What truly ended Beast Wars was a new company policy that was only beginning to emerge for cartoons back in the mid to late 90s. The number '52' became the magical syndication number for cartoons and animated shows. Back then in the late 80s to early 90s, cartoons would receive at least a good 65 episode run before the company decided whether or not to continue the franchise. These days, it's mostly 52 episodes before the network cancels the show and sells it off to other stations for re-runs. Heck, even Armada, Energon, etc. only received the 52 episode rule before ending their runs. Even massively popular shows like Samurai Jack, Batman Beyond, and X-Men: Evolution had to end at 52 episodes. Unfortunately, Beast Wars fell prey to this policy and we never got to a longer, more fulfilling run for the series.

That is really interesting. I never knew that. The thing that annoys me though is that anime shows seem to ignore that "rule". Heck, look at Pokemon or Yu Gi Oh (probably spelled incorrectly and I am not going to waste my time looking up how to spell that) those things don't seem to die and neither is experiencing the wild fan-craze they used to. What is it that keeps those shows going?!?!

One more thing that bugs me about current cartoons, none of them have the same feel as Beast Wars or Reboot or any of the older shows I watched as a kid. I saw an ad for a Bratz CGI cartoon the other day and wanted to bash my head against a wall. The animation was HORRIBLE (some people can't stand nails on a chalkboard, I can't stand pathetic animation or visual effects) and the acting left a lot to be desired. I actually watched a Viva Pinata cartoon yesterday and thought my brain was going to melt. I simply can not comprehend how production houses can get away with producing garbage like this to put on the air. It seems like the shows are inspired by the toys or games, not the other way around as it should be. Current cartoons have no storyline, no emotion, no purpose except to provide mindless entertainment for 17 minutes in between commercials.

I apologize for ranting, it just sort of came out.

Kittie Rose · Unread post by **Kittie Rose** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:50 am

You can't count your chickens before they hatch. A live action BW movie probably wouldn't even be a thought until they see how well the G1 version fares.

BUT IT'S NOT GEEWUN!!!!!1

God I'm sick of that. It's using G1 characters and names(even for the Decepticons) and G1 alt modes, and G1 plots, and using G1 to prop up it's popularity.

TFW2005 is the worst board for this.

I remember one guy saying.

"Massive G1 fan, have been for years.
Love the new designs.
Movie is not G1."

And someone(a Mod) quoted the last sentence saying "Bingo". The Mods also have a habit of editting and banning people with opinions they don't like. It's annoying the hell out of me. Even it's not G1, it should be; after all how much did RiD/Armada/Energon/Cybertron pierce the mainstream? Not very much if they keep changing the series after a year, obviously! The main problem is that their series really can't be enjoyed by adults. The G1 series was quite kiddy but adults could still appreciate it as cool characters and cool giant robots blowing stuff up. Stuff just isn't so "cool" in the newer series, it insults kids' intelligence, let alone the fans.
At least with Beast Wars, they have no excuses for the characterisation etc, though the designs changed throughout the series so that could be seen as an excuse for throwing out crappy Bionicle things.

I'd hate to see what a Michael Bay would do to Beast Wars. If you thought Beast Machines was too "XTREEEM"...

I'd be too worried that a Beast Wars movie would cause the same nonsense the "G1" movie is at the moment...

Dezzy_Devastator01 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:00 pm

ok let me rephrase my post. After spending some time talking to VBA over the weekend about BW, she informed me the main reason for BW ending was due to new writters, new guy in charge and the desire to pursue the enhanced graphics Beast Machines offered. - my point didn't come across as intended. I didn't mean for it to sound like BW was done due to unpopularity - BW has a pretty solid fan base, however in terms of fan base compared to G1, all the other TF programs to follow, BW, Armada, Cybertron...ect aren't even close (IMO - so please don't blow this comment out of hand) and that to me would be a reason why they wouldn't make a LA BW movie, unless it was for sheer artistic or sentimental value, because in the "supply and demand" world, there just wouldn't be enough demand for it to be a viable project to pursue. AND if they did make a movie, the first of sorts would be like the G1's first attempt at a movie and be a cartoon/computer animated feature - much like a really long episode in a sense. Now, the new LA TF movie might not be G1 to a tee, but I'm going to assume, the concept is based on it - such as robots posing as cars/trucks/planes... and *crosses fingers* a giant gun known as megatron.

If anyone knows of a place I can see more into the new movie, mainly to see some of the names in use for this movie, like starscream, soundwave...ect please let me know, I'd love to see a better trailer then what I've seen already (just a probe on mars or something malfunctioning).

And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a LA BW movie, just realistically I doubt there's a chance of it happening unless it's an indie film - which again likely wouldn't make the big screen, it'd probably be sent straight to video stores or at the most those little cinematiques that play weirdo movies.

Kittie Rose · Unread post by **Kittie Rose** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:08 pm

Beast Wars didn't pierce the mainstream like G1 did, but it did moreso than any other series that isn't G1.

I think it's possible that if they did make a load of noise about the series, re-aired it, and made new episodes(the VAs are certainly up for it - must have been a fun show to make) it'd be great.

They could make better graphics now too, and it'd be cheaper and take less time.

Dezzy_Devastator01 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:26 pm

That's a good point, I too would like to see them re-introduce BW to the public, The concept was there and I liked the way season 2 and 3 were going, it's too bad they had to abruptly end it by killing everyone off pretty much in the end, but it doesn't mean they couldn't bring in new characters and whatnot. However I did have a convo before about the positives and negatives about bringing it back, such as the time gap between the last episode made and to the time they bring it back, I know personally for me when it comes to artistic things such as music, drawing, stories if I walk away from something and come back later I'm in a completely different mentality, and now, as I mentioned, I liked the direction they were going... but after so long it might have prompted them to continue in a direction these newer cartoons are going like Armada and Cybertron and might totally just be black mark on an already wicked series. They could also make it better too with the graphics you mentioned, but I guess it would really be a gamble, especially when you try and redo something. I see cartoons being brought back from the past like Gi Joe and Ninja Turtles and they just aren't what they were...

Kittie Rose · Unread post by **Kittie Rose** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:01 pm

Hey did Tigatron and Airazor really die? I mean Tigerhawk did... but maybe because of the weird way they were "fused" their Sparks were still "live" after Tigerhawk was destroyed?

Tigerhawk was an uncomfortable concept to begin with though, if you think about it...

I see cartoons being brought back from the past like Gi Joe and Ninja Turtles and they just aren't what they were... Sad

That's because in updating them, they miss the point of what they are.

Beast Wars is one of the few successful "Updates" I can think of(though the "Original" Transformers had only just ended with G2 and that to be fair); the Spider-man and X-men movies too(as well as their 90s cartoon series), as well as the Batman movies. Apart from that, "modernising" anything tends to be a shaky process.

Other things that sucked being "Modernised": Sonic the Hedgehog. No, not the Sonic Adventure games, they did it quite well I thought(though SA more than SA2). I'm talking about Sonic X. Ugh.

We need less "Hipness"(a concept that's been around since the 70s or even 60s pretty much) and more cool reimaginings.

Zucca · Unread post by **Zucca** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:37 am

Erk... I know of what is spoken of. Yeah, Turtles, G.I. Joe, Ghostbusters... they were all fished from the eighties, 'revamped' and the prefix 'EXTREME' was slapped onto it.

Meh.

Thank you, but I think we can do without EXTREME Beast Wars.

If they're going to redo it or something, I pray they don't make it more 'Kid friendly'

Ever heard of Watership Down? Fantastic book. Amazing movie. But the series made recently is little more then a steaming pile of doo-doo. They made it more 'kid friendly' and in the process, utterly destroyed the plot, feel, severity and intensity of it.

If they're going to update Beast Wars, they'd better not make it more 'kid friendly', trying to appease corperate statistics. I don't care if they get George A. Romero to direct it, so long as it remains out of the pink, padded clutches of the touchy-feely league.

^_^;;

Sorry... I'm in rant-mode ^_^;;;