Hmmmm?

[VelociBerg]

Well, lemmie think.

Oracle could reformat them into Different Transmetals. Not a Transmetal 3, but more like a different Transmetal 1.

Okay, that's a good reason.

and the reason Transmetal would not work on the drones is because they lack a spark.

But transmetallization does work without a spark. It happened for Optimus when Rhinox brought him back, Tigerhawk had the sparks of Tigatron and Airazor pulled out before becoming a transmetal fuzor, and Tarantulas was transmetallized despite being inside BA's head.

Note: I'm unsure about the Tarantulas situation, so he may not count.

OOO! They could have Nightscream be a Stealth Jet (How he stayed alive) who maximizes into a Bat-like robot mode.

Optimus: Who are you?

*Nightscream transforms*

NS: I'm Batman.

Silver Bolt on the other hand could come back as a Transmetal version of who he was by sayingsomething like "His Spark remembered who he was" And as an added bonus, we could have Jetstorm serve as a separate entity inside Silverbolt's mind, constantly tormenting him and maybe even managing to take over once in a while.

Cool.

Initially, we could also make it so that the virus serves as the energon from earth. They can only go so long until it builds up enough to cause them harm, at which point they need to transform back to beast-mode, where they can still fight and or run in a third form.

I can see this sorta happening.

[Lyxwal]

My logic behind the whole spark thing is this.

Optimus 2nd body:
1: Protoforms are in a highly influential state of being, which is how the DNA scanners work. The Transwarp wave transmetalized it even without a spark.
2. It didn't go Transmetal until Primal's spark entered it, which is where he was during the fight after his body reformed. He was in agonizing pain
3. A combination of the two

Tarantulus: My guess is that his spark was still in his body, but he had a mind link to BA, which is how he controlled her. However, instead of a remote control, it was more like his whole mind was inside her, with his spark in his body, essentially making him brain-dead.

Tigerhawk: Vok, pure and simple. I think it would be within their power to Transmetal an empty husk by infusing it with their own power, which is how Tigerhawk was still powerful even after the Vok influence was gone.

[VelociBerg]

My logic behind the whole spark thing is this.

Optimus 2nd body:
1: Protoforms are in a highly influential state of being, which is how the DNA scanners work. The Transwarp wave transmetalized it even without a spark.

But DNA scanners also affect fully functional online transformers. Megatron, Dinobot, Terrorsaur, Nightscream, etc.

2. It didn't go Transmetal until Primal's spark entered it, which is where he was during the fight after his body reformed. He was in agonizing pain

You sure? It looked like he was able to fight pretty effectively without letting pain bother him.

Note: This is different from Gorilla Warfare, where we clearly see Optimus is feeling the pain, yet ignores it.

If anything I'd say he wasn't in pain, he was just pissed off that he allowed Megatron to kill him like that.

Tigerhawk: Vok, pure and simple. I think it would be within their power to Transmetal an empty husk by infusing it with their own power, which is how Tigerhawk was still powerful even after the Vok influence was gone.

But the sheer act of making a transformer a transmetal, or even a transmetal 2, utilizes Vok energy. To quote Tarantulas regarding Transmetals (as well as Fuzors) and the Vok:

"We are one with them now."

Season 2-Transwarp wave from Vok weapon explosion
Season 3-TM2 bots were created using a Vok device modified by Megatron.

From Tigerhawk down to Cheetor, they're all Vok influenced.

[Lyxwal]

Well first,

Tigerhawk: I know they were one with the Vok, that was the whole idea behind how they could make Tigerhawk Transmetal with ease, being the very source of the whole thing!

Primal: If you look, there is a gap in time between when Primal's spark enters the protoform and when he actually comes out. I'm just saying he goes Transmetal during this time.

As for the Protoforms, my guess is that a CR chamber works in two ways for repairs, by either rebuilding and putting the bots back together, or if the damage is extreme enough, converting the bot into Protomatter and then reforming it. I have no reason to assume the second one though. Either way, the CR chamber can revert a bot into Protoform and then reformat it into the desired form.

I have no idea how Nightscream and everyone else did it after they got DNA scanners installed, but maybe they did the same thing, just with a more viscous (and therefore possibly more energy draining) version of reducing into Protoform.

[Jagna]

maybe the Cybertronians got bored of looking for wehicles and decided to intsall every cybertron with a DNA scanner, as opposed to having a detachable ...uh....vehicle scanner thing.

there is no logic in that sense. i think hasbro was just trying to fill in the gaps they made when it came to nightscream's beast mode. when i first saw 'survivor' i thought....bull plop! what utter rubbish!

as for the spark, i always saw it as a physical manifestation of their spirit, not necessarily their personalities. look at Silverbolt...he was forced to become a different personality, hence "what do you know about my spirit" business...i thinks its all to do with programming mixed in with a bit of choice. the autobots were programmed to be protectors: done. the decepticons malfunctioned (or something along those lines...whatever) went from sekkers of energy to conquerors.

since the beast machine "robots" were no longer robots (robots AND animals? puhleez...if you're not a robot you're not a robot) this programming was lost. silver bolt went from machine for a longer while on cybertron han the other maximal (being Jetstorm, a jet thing) to suddenly an animal as well. CHOICE! was it his? nu-uh. Blackaracnia is your answer there the sneaky biatche.

unm.....if tht made any sense plz tell me fr i will be most surprised...

[Lyxwal]

Actually I had my own idea about what a Spark is.

Every sentient being has a soul, and also has a body. The Spark is the medium between the two, a physical representation of the spirit. For humans it is the mind, but for Bots it is the spark, which is one of a few things,
Pure Energy
Code composed of 1's, 2's, 3's, 5's, and 7's
A combination of the two

Or any other number of things. Now, just as the soul can influence a person or bot, it not only can influence the spark as well, but it works both ways. Something horrible done to the body can have an effect on the spark and consequently the soul.

Or maybe I am just spewing mumbo-jumbo

[VelociBerg]

Well first,

Tigerhawk: I know they were one with the Vok, that was the whole idea behind how they could make Tigerhawk Transmetal with ease, being the very source of the whole thing!

Well, yeah. But Tarantulas's point was that every transmetal was one with the Vok. Tigerhawk is just more akin to them than the others.

Primal: If you look, there is a gap in time between when Primal's spark enters the protoform and when he actually comes out. I'm just saying he goes Transmetal during this time.

Eh, no real proof on that either way. I'll stick with my theory of him being transmetallized prior though.

I have no idea how Nightscream and everyone else did it after they got DNA scanners installed, but maybe they did the same thing, just with a more viscous (and therefore possibly more energy draining) version of reducing into Protoform.

But...of all the transformers who weren't protoforms only Optimus was in the CR Chamber. I'd say it was like G1, where they just...changed their alt mode from vehicles to animals. Because really only Megatron had to physically change the most.

As for Nightscream and his DNA Scanner, let's just blame nanites. Nanites are always good to blame in a situation like this. Yessss....a very good scapegoat.

[Lyxwal]

Well, if you remember in the first episode, Rhinox says "Your beast modes are now complete! You may emerge." So I am guessing he either went first, or hopped in the second CR chamber (I think they had two, but I cannot remember) after one came out, and Primal went into the other.

I dunno.

Nanites work for everyone else. I was guessing Protoforms are composed of nanites, which work like cells, except in a mechanical sense.

[Arachnid Champion]

Beast Machines: Overall, it was good but annoying. All of the Vehicon generals (except Tankor, in either mental state; I dislike Rhinox when evil (and, come to think of it, good)) were much cooler than the Maximals, who really should have lost this war (no real cohesion...). Megatron was as well, but I liked him much better before. The overall plot was good, I'd say. Finally, the technorganization of Cybertron was loathesome, and I'm in fact contemplating writing a story where the transformation is reversed.

[VelociBerg]

Beast Machines: Overall, it was good but annoying. All of the Vehicon generals (except Tankor, in either mental state; I dislike Rhinox when evil (and, come to think of it, good)) were much cooler than the Maximals,

Eh, Strika was alright I guess.

who really should have lost this war (no real cohesion...).

Yessss. If these were the Maximals from BW, then I could see them winning. But the BM team lacked any real team spirit.

Megatron was as well, but I liked him much better before.

Yeeessssssssssss. But a classic BM Megs moment was when he totally dominated Silverbolt and BA (and to some extent, Nightscream) in his drone body. PWNED.

The overall plot was good, I'd say. Finally, the technorganization of Cybertron was loathesome, and I'm in fact contemplating writing a story where the transformation is reversed.

That'd be an interesting read, good luck!

[Lyxwal]

Dude!
How can you not like Rhinox! He was the best of the best in BW!!!!

[Arachnid Champion]

Actually, that may have been the reason. He didn't have quite enough flaws, and his guns were more powerful than they should have been (or at least got an undeserved reputation).

[VelociBerg]

...and his guns were more powerful than they should have been (or at least got an undeserved reputation).

While I agree with the flaws bit, I'm gonna have to disagree on this part. The Chainguns O' Doom were some of the most powerful weapons on the show, not the most powerful, but pretty dang strong regardless. After all, Rhinox has made Inferno (who gives Dinobot a run for his money almost every time they meet) look like Waspinator on several occasions.

[Baron Fel]

well guess it's time for me to step in and play Rhino's advocate.

Rhinox physically is the most powerful of the origonal cast granted, however he never gets an upgrade, so by the end he's outclassed by a fair number of the cast.

Additionally, he might be the Scotty of the BW-verse able to build anything out of anything. (maybe McGuiver?) but he gets outclassed or outmanuevered by Megatron on any number of occassions (including both in Dark Designs and in BMac when he turns evil.) In fact most of the time he is in a support role providing logistics and analysis for the boss monkey.


That said Scorpy is still the most fun of the shows tech heads....what? Scorpinok is the bot. Okay fine i'm just glad to see someone else who doesn't think he was useless and/or were glad to have him lava-ized.

[Arachnid Champion]

Well, I suppose his guns didn't have an undeserved reputation, then. Just too powerful.

Scorponok is the opposite of Rhinox. He had a great deal of potential that was badly squandered.

Maybe, if we can find two other people, you and I could start a Scorponok fan club?