Deceased character you think deserved to live

[EverBlue]

Yeah, the death toll for the show is quite high. I think at one point or another, we've all thought about which character we would've liked to have lived on to find a happy ending by the show's end. My question to you is: Which character do you feel didn't deserve the ending they got and should have lived on?

I'm gonna go with Tigatron on this one. He's always been one of the more complex, well-developed, and sympathetic characters. We always got to see new layers to him with every episode he's been in from The Trigger to Law of the Jungle. It really disappointed me how he was basically given the shaft in the next two seasons.

Terrorsaur, Quickstrike, and Scorponok have always been more of goons and thugs than anything so their deaths really didn't affect me all that much. Dinobot's death is good the way it is. I like Airazor but she's always been more of an example of the 'woman in the refrigerator' syndrome than an actual character. Inferno was cool but I think the writers spent too much time turning him into the Beast Wars equivalent of Harley Quinn to Megatron's Joker. I heard Tarantulas isn't actually dead and that he made a reappearance in some BotCon comic where he absorbed the Vok's powers so I decided not to put him on here.

The line starts getting more tricky when it comes to Depth Charge and Rampage. I think they had a very spectacular and appropriate finale to end their saga. However, the problem is that they appeared in very few episodes(Rampage 13, DC 7) so the emotional power of their final death scene was kinda destroyed due to the fact that A) It was rushed, and B) DC and Rampage didn't get to appear in enough episodes. I think that if they had been developed a whole lot more with more episodes that concentrate on them, their last battle would have been much more explosive and carried a lot more emotional weight.

But yeah, I went with Tigatron even though I like Rampage and DC much more. He really didn't deserve to be tossed aside like garbage to make way for the new kid on the block.

Anywhoo, which character would you liked to have lived on and not die a horrible, screaming death?

[TomAmundsen]

well, I have only made my way through the first half of the first season (I've seen some eps from seasons 2 and 3, but that was back when it was being aired), so I haven't even seen these guys die yet. But I'd have to go with Dinobot, because he's probably the last character I'd like to see die.

He has balls, honor, and intelligence.

[RobotInDisguise]

I have more than one choice for this.

Tigatron-Pointless death. Let him live.

Scorponok-Had so much potential. I hated him at first, but then came to really pity and like the second-in-command. He deserved to be explored much more than he was.

Terrorsaur-Did not deserve to live.

Depth Charge and/or Rampage-Both deserved to die simply because Rampage was a mass murderer and Depth Charge's only purpose was to hunt down Rampy. After that was fulfilled, he'd have no reason left to go on.

Airrazor-Same as Tigatron. Pointless death plus unexplored romance.

Inferno-Didn't deserve to live.

Dinobot-I'm probably going to get pillowed to death for this, but despite that I wrote Code of Honor, I'd have to disagree with the majority of you. He did not deserve to live because he desrved to have what he always wanted, which was the warrior's death that he got in Code of Hero. This guy lived to die, so let him honorably RIP.

TMII-Not sure. On one hand, he deserved to live because he should have been given more time to develop his new personality and find himself, but on the other hand, Dinobot I kinda taught him to die with honor.

[EverBlue]

Ah, yes. Poor Transmetal II Dinobot... he's always taken flack from fans for replacing the original Dinobot.

I almost voted for him because his death seemed to be one of the most pointless death scenes ever. First, he starts having flashbacks after Rampage dies and starts muttering about honor, which really doesn't sit well with Megatron. Then after Megatron blows up a bunch of proto-human settlements and threatens the Ark, he finally does something interesting and helps out the Maximals. When it seems that all is lost, he finally stands up to Megatron, his honor regained... only to be thrown aside like a wet paper towel.

Then a few seconds later, he dies after the big Deux Ex Cop-Out shuttle smooshes Megatron on the windshield. It seemed like such a waste for him to finally stand up to Megatron, get back a sense of dignity, and be swatted aside like a fly to be blown up later. TMII Dinobot didn't even die an honorable death. He went out like a punk. And yes, it all happens in less than a minute.

But in the end, I still voted for Tigatron because I have more nostalgic feel-good memories of him. Sorry, Dinobot.

[Baron Fel]

hey no dissing Terrorsaur. *sighs* He was so much more than a Screamer want to be but most of his intiresting bits always get shuffled under the rug.

All in all the only characters that I LIKED the death of were Dinobot, Rampage, and Depth Charge. Most of the others grated on me for one reason or another. Tigatron/Air Razor and Terry/Scorpy being the worst though as the death of those two were more or less, gee we have lots of characters lets kill them in the least intiresting way possible giving them the least ammount of build up to their death we can. The others by and large at least had a good run. I could have done without the mass slaughter that was Nemesis but well, I can see why they wanted to do that. Especially if BMac was in the works at that time.

[Kamikaze]

When i was watching aftermath i saw how scorponok and terrorsaur were killed and it was just too short and cruel,which upset me because i hated them at first but i love them now

[Razor One]

I'm throwing my vote in for TM2 Dinobot.

Overall he got very little character development throughout season 3. Is that worth him living you ask? Of course!

It was in Nemesis that he truly began to shine. Up until that two parter, he was portrayed as an unthinking drone. Sure he was able to think and cook up plans and so forth (Proving Grounds) but he was ultimately carrying out Megatrons wishes as opposed to actually thinking for himself.

When Rampage died and he underwent that Catharsis he began to exhibit Dinobots characteristics and personality. It would have been interesting to see the reaction in the others and specifically to see whether it was Dinobot, but not, or truly THE Dinobot back in the metal, so to speak.

It felt like such a waste to see him die in the fashion that he did. He betrays megatron, saves the Maximals and finds them a ride home and ultimately bites the bullet for his efforts.

Perhaps it's just me but I honestly felt he deserved to live on the basis of what he became in the end.

[Outtsyder]

I think you're forgetting a few key things about TM2 Dinobot's death, in connection with the original Dinobot, given the change in his spark that more or less "brought back" the original's personality (call it what you will). Most (if not all) of Dinobot's thoughts, memories, feelings, attitudes, etc. would have been revived in the new TM2 body after Rampage was destroyed. Consider this line from the original character profile that the story editors had drawn out for the guy; "His secret obsession is a heroic demise." And also remember that in his original self, he was part of Megatron's crew that stole the Golden Disk in the first place; he had refused to return to Cybertron with the Maximals in "Victory" because he would have been convicted as a criminal for his part of the Golden Disk Theft. Even if Optimus would try to convince the Maximal Elders to pardon him, even in his TM2 form, the chances of that happening wouldn't be too good (some people in power can already make up their minds on issues, clouding a fair judgment). If you also consider his indirect connection to Rampage -- the Protoform X Project that the Maximal Elders wanted to completely do away with after it failed -- there's no way TM2 Dinobot would have been spared.

With those thoughts, TM2 Dinobot just felt he did what he needed, and decided to let himself die with his honor intact, rather than be forced to live out the rest of his days as an outcast on Cybertron. He just felt it was the best option for him to be remembered, even as a clone of his old self with a "resurrected" mind.

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."
-- Neil Young

Outtsyder

[EverBlue]

You make a excellent argument, Outtsyder, but I'm not sure I agree with it entirely.

It's true that TMII Dinobot got back the memories of the original but we gotta keep in mind that it was only just in this episode that he felt them in their entirety for the first time without any of Rampage's influences. The episode itself spanned 20 minutes or so. In real world time, it might have taken a few hours for Dinobot to "come to terms" with himself before dying. Either way you look at it, neither 20 minutes nor a few hours are really enough for a person to deal with a mind-altering experience that's turned your world upside down. I'm not completely sure that he really had enough time to absorb all of the original Dinobot's memories entirely, especially with such tough, complex issues such as his fate under the Maximal Elders and how Protoform X's legacy would haunt him forever.

I know that there was one memory of Dinobot that did haunt him throughout the episode and that was the lingering memory of some sort of distant honor, which caused him to aid the Maximals eventually. From what we've seen of the small flashback, the memories of the first Dinobot saving the human race and dying were really vague to him so I doubt he'd have an easier time thinking of all the original Dinobot's past sins and their potential reprecussions.

I just got the feeling throughout the entire episode that TMII Dinobot was unsure about himself the whole time, even up to his death scene. If he truly wanted to go out with a bang, he'd have done more than just give the Maximals a mini-shuttle that wasn't even completely guaranteed to work and then tell Megatron, "Durr... I have my honor back so please pimp slap me aside so I can die!" He'd have fought Megatron to prevent him from pressing down on the button. That's what the original Dinobot would've done after all.

It's just my opinion but I personally think that TMII Dinobot was completely unsure and insecure with himself in the final episode due to all of the original DB's memories. I really don't think he had a firm mindset on dying with "honor."

[Outtsyder]

If he truly wanted to go out with a bang, he'd have done more than just give the Maximals a mini-shuttle that wasn't even completely guaranteed to work and then tell Megatron, "Durr... I have my honor back so please pimp slap me aside so I can die!" He'd have fought Megatron to prevent him from pressing down on the button. That's what the original Dinobot would've done after all.

Or perhaps TM2 Dinobot realized that, with Megatron being powered by the spark of the original Megatron, he'd lose if he tried to fight him, however courageous it would have been. If Optimal Optimus, as powerful as he was, could get smacked down at almost every turn, Dinobot wouldn't have stood a chance, and Megatron would have still "won." The better course of action to defeat him was to alert the Maximals of the shuttle, and buy them enough time so they could knock him out before he could hit the trigger.

Un-Dinobot-like? Perhaps. But whether or not there was uncertainty on his part (which there probably was), as far as playing the treachery game is concerned, it's like the saying about the sword; he who lives by it, dies by it. Hey... why not have one last hurrah by sticking Megatron with his own key weapon?

Outtsyder

[RobotInDisguise]

I'm just surprised with the number of people who voted for Dinobot, considering how much he wanted to die.

[JohnHope]

Dinobots Death was a pivitol part of the plot.. He HAD to die!

I think they could have done alot more with the Terrorsaur character so thats who I think should have been "re-incarnated"....

[una]

Well I love them

They should did more with tigertron and Airazor though


Dinobot I'm two part

one part- he had to die for the plot

second part- He had so much potenial to STAY ON

[Kidcat]

Hmm... This is a tough question to answer.

I was tempted to pick Dinobot at first, but his death was so perfect that I really can't imagin it any other way. He died the way he wanted, an honorable warrior.

I ended up picking Rampage/Depth Charge because as cool as their death was, as mentioned in an earlier post, it just felt rushed. I have nothing against them dying, it's pretty much inevitable, but I wish we could have seen a lot more encounters between them before the end. Plus I really liked Depth Charge and I wish he would have been in more than just 1 season. It just felt like his character could have been explored a little more.

The next one on my list would be Tigatron. The reasons mostly the same as what Everblue posted above.

[VelociBerg]

I was also tempted to pick Dinobot at first, but after I remembered that he went out with a bang by single-handedly defeating the entire Predacon force, I let him go.

I'd have to say Inferno, believe it or not. For all the times he's backed up "Queen" Megatron with undying loyalty he just gets blasted into a scrapheap by the Nemesis. Not the way I would've liked to see him go.