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Starscream could've ended the war...

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:37 pm
by Spudatron
Ok... here's something that's baffled me for a while now...

Starscream possesses the body of Waspinator in season 1... he's a member of the Decepticons, the same Decepticons that crashed to earth on the Nemesis while chasing the Ark...

Starscream knew the location of both the Nemesis AND the Ark... afterall, he fought in the great war on earth against the Autobots... why didn't he reveal the location of either ship to the Predacons? Megatron could've forgotten the golden disks and gone straight for the Ark or the Nemesis as early as season 1, got the jump on the Maximals before they knew what he was after and the Predacon's would've won the Beast Wars...

Then again, if that had've happened the show would've only lasted half a season! hahaha... but yeah, as far as plot goes... I think this is a huge hole... really, if u take into account the G1 and BW continuity... technically Starscream had the key to ending the war... why didn't he use it?

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:15 pm
by Wonko The Sane
If you knew G1 Starscream,he wasn't very bright.G1 Megatron would have thought of this,but Screamer is arrogant to the core.He wanted to be leader,and to be leader is just power to him.Like Megatron said in the First Episode to Dinobot'There is more to being a leader than just courage...you need cunning as well'

I bet Starscream hasn't thought of that,he wanted to know just how good the future generations are and he observed them far enough to think he is greater,because he's a Decepticon and well,they're not.

What's funny is that,even though he was a powerful Decepticon,he was defeated by Maximals and one Predacon.

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:58 pm
by artemis-lady-warrior
maybe he didn't know it was earth. The only one who did was grape faced megs. Dinobot only found out when he saw only one moon in the sky. I would have loved to see screamer in another episode maybe possessing terrorsaur if he hand't died. (RIP hotty!) but sadly it never came to be.
Like Wonko said Starscream isn't very bright though he has his smart moments. Bruticus!!!!!!!!! W00t!

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:43 pm
by Spudatron
Ok, granted... Starscream wasn't too bright... but then again neither is Megatron... if Megatron knew the place was earth, why didnt he ask Starscream to show him the location of the Ark and the Nemesis?

Seems to me that BW Megatron is about as stupid as Starscream... :roll:

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:24 pm
by SilverfromOZ
What was that about BW Megs? The bot was a tactial mastermind. Unfortunately, being the bad guy, he had to suffer from "the good guys are the ones who always get lucky" syndrome meaning that his original plans to head to earth were dirupted by the Axalon's attack and other such situations (e.g. Tigerhawk splatting the Darkside), but he's the type of guy who pulls things together in the worst case scenario. From the Darkside's destruction, he not only continued to cause trouble for the Maximals, but nearly turned the tide by raising the Nemesis. Arrogant? Definitely. Stupid... I think not. Noooo...

Now as for Screamer, at the time he inhabited Waspy's body, none of the cast knew that they were on earth (except maybe suspicions from Megs and ol Tarantulas). All of them were just embroiled in the big bash for energon and territory and they thought they were fighting over the planet. It was only after the beginning of Season 2 (the "moon's" destruction, considerable terraforming by the Vok weapon and detonation of the energon) when it became apparent that they were actually on earth ("Yess... earth." to quote Dinobot). Hell, even the hammer dropped for Waspinator "Wazzpinator knows!!!"

So I stand by the BW writers for doing CONSIDERABLE work in having a brilliant over arching plot (and also defend Megatron's intelligence... but hey, maybe "Decepticons retreat!" is a brilliant form of strategy that I don't understand :wink: ).

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:34 am
by artemis-lady-warrior
I think Megatron did know it was earth already. He just didn't want to carry out G1 Megs plan to blast in Prime's face at the beginning. That was the last option he had after Dinobot saved the humans.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:20 am
by Unvereitletmann
I don't think Megatron knew he was on earth. After all, in the 1st episode he asks the computer if he is in the right planet. When the computer response is that the lectures are "inconsisten" he said, nevermind just tell me there is energon. Whe the computer confirms that, Megatron's reaction was "Yess the planet has energon!" maybe at this point he didn't even realised that what the location the golden disk had was actually earth. Another argueable point is that when Dinobot defies Megatron's leadership during the 1st ep his answer was something like "what does It matter which planet we are, we came looking for energon & this planet is rich on the element."
On the other hand Optimus says that they fight in order to stop Megatron from taking over the energon repeatedly through out the show. So I figure out that at the beggining nobody knew it was prehistoric earth, until Season 2. Optimus states as well that the golden disk, a maximal relic, gave the location of a massive energy source, another point that I add to my "Megatron was seeking energy" theory.

As for the Starscream in Posession he says that his spark traveled over the space & beyond the reach of time if I recall it well. Meaning that it was merely a coincidence he found the beast warriors in his journey, and therefore he couldn't have guessed that they were on earth. Adding his total incompetence as a soldier. Now the equation is complete.

What do u Think?


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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:15 pm
by artemis-lady-warrior
well maybe not at first but later.

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:56 pm
by Wonko The Sane
Exactly what Unvereitletmann said,Megatron did not know about the planet.The Golden Disk stated that there is a planet rich with Energon,even Cyrotek has said that to him in the Prolouge.

Anyway,it wasn't until the end of Season One that Megatron has analyzed the disk and found G1 Megatron's message inside it,which was right after Screamer's appearance.

No one knew the location of the Nemesis except for Tranatulas,which he probably unearthed in mid-Season Three,and Megatron got lucky to find out what he was hiding.

Also,no one didn't know about the location of the Ark either by Blackarachnia's telling of the fall between the Ark and Nemesis.Since her telling of the story may be myth,there is a consideration that the Maximals(And Predacons)do not know or tell where the Ark was hidden in Earth.It took them forever to find it.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:54 am
by VelociBerg
Huh. I thought it was because Megatron knew about G1 Megatron's message, but preferred to exhaust every other option before blasting Prime's head open, I think because he knew the risks.

I mean, first he tried energon mining, then various little schemes, trying to take over Vok technology and weapons, to destroying humanity, and THEN attacking the source with Optimus Prime. Its shown that Megs actually WENT to the Ark previously, but for whatever reason chose not to act on the original Megatron's directive until after Ravage blew up.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:56 pm
by Wonko The Sane
I was watching Before The Storm again,and Megatron was talking to Inferno about that is ambiton for the conquest of Cybertron pales to comparison to what he has read in the Alien Golden Disk

I beleive that during this Episode he anaylysed the Maximal Relic,and I think he was going to the Ark after he killed all the Maximals in Coming Of The Fuzors,then again,Megatron's enigmatic nature still is debated,and the location of the Ark was still in question.However I watched Other Visits again and he mentioned destoyign the Autobots,so it was a menner of time of when he was going to put his ambition into place.