BWINT newsletter debate

[Blazemane]

I'm not sure how much of a debate this would turn into as opposed to an idea-bouncing thingy, but...

What purpose would Transmutate serve in Beast Wars if she survived more than one episode?

• Faction?
  Position (Scout? Fighter (hey, she did display quite a bit of power))?
  Interaction with other characters?

[Rainshade]

oh yeah, the debates. transmutate debate? let's see...

as for faction, i'm not really sure. transmutate could either end up being silverbolt or rampage's friend (and be maximal or predacon), it's hard to say which. that, and with megs thinking "useless", and optimus thinking "dangerous", i'm not sure if either of the factions' leaders will even accept transmutate onto the team.

for position, i'd say scout. sure, there was a lot of power but transmutate doesn't seem to like to fight anyway. and none of the other possible positions seem to fit either.

interaction? dunno, but again, prolly friends with either silverbolt or rampage. there's some rampage x transmutate fans out there, but i find that somehow really hard to picture in my head. and any real interaction/relationships with other chars seem unlikely from what we've seen in the episode.

[Blazemane]

Nice thoughts. And I don't mean to be rude (besides it's my fault for not saying this the first time), but Sapphire just wanted Velociberg, Wistwin, Lady Ocelet and I to to do this debate.

But you know what? If you pm her, I'm sure she'd let you join the debating crew if you so wish. I don't mean to exclude you.

Anyways, yeah I was thinking kindof along the same lines. See, it'd be hard for her to get a an alliance, but I think in the end she'd be maximal, just by nature of her being too friendly. If she stayed in the pred base for a day, someone would get annoyed and shoot her on site.

[Rainshade]

Sapphire just wanted Velociberg, Wistwin, Lady Ocelet and I to to do this debate.

alright then, it's okay. c:

[Wistwin]

Ooh! Great topic

Faction

Yes, it'd be hard for her to get a faction. But it may be possible for her to remain factionless. While it's not exactly a safe option, I figure'd that Rampage might be willing to hide her from both the Maximals and the Predacons. Silverbolt would also be willing, so it could be either of them who would be taking care of her, just probably not both. That would be very very complicated.

If she did get a faction though, it'd most likely be the Maximals. I agree with Blazemane, her nature makes it so that she'd be better off with the Maximals. On the other hand, I doubt any of the Preds, besides Megatron, would be so keen to shoot her since Rampage is her friend.

Position

It's kind of hard to envision her as a fighter, but it's not impossible. As a fighter, she'd probably be able to end the war on her own. Scout/spy doesn't seem like a suitable position for her because, frankly, she might get a bit too distracted with her surroundings to stay focused.

I see her as someone on the sidelines, cheering her faction on, probably only getting into the battle when she feels necessary or if she was ordered to.

Interaction

((Ah, my favorite part of this debate.))

Obviously she'd have a hard time getting the others' friendship, Rampage and Silverbolt aside. The Maxis see her as dangerous and the Preds think she's useless, which is clearly going to cause strains in relationship if she were to choose a faction.

Rampage...well, personally I'm a fan of the pairing, but that aside, how long does anyone honestly think he'll put up with her? It's a very hard relationship to comprehend, because 1) Rampage doesn't seem like the kind for long standing relationships (aside from enemies), be it friendship or romance and 2) Transmutate is very child-like. I wanna see how long Rampage's patience will last.

Silverbolt is obviously a better choice for a friend, he'd be patient with her and he'd genuinely care for her. But then he's gonna have to face a jealous and probably very angry Rampage. Plus, Blackarachnia might not like having Transmutate around 'Bolts a lot. Ah well, think of it this way BA, it's child-care-training. X3

O.o Long post.

[Beastly]

Nice thoughts. And I don't mean to be rude (besides it's my fault for not saying this the first time), but Sapphire just wanted Velociberg, Wistwin, Lady Ocelet and I to to do this debate.

i thought any one could debate ud b like the referries judges lol team captians

my bad but it kinda lacks with only 4 ppl some view points might not get mentioned and stuff

/exit thread

or do the rest of us agree with who ever n the one with the most votes wins?

[Blazemane]

my bad but it kinda lacks with only 4 ppl some view points might not get mentioned and stuff

Good point. I of course don't mind (and I obviously don't own the debating anyways), but I'd ask Sapphire if you can join because she says in her email (and this might answer your procedure question):

Blazemane, Velociberg, Wistwin and Lady Ocelot: You need to start a new, interesting discussion about anything Beast Wars related, somewhere on the general section of the forum (although it must be clearly stated that it's for the newsletter and only you four can be participating). We need this for the fan debate. Ideally it shouldn't go on for too long and people's input must be short and concise, to make it newsletter-friendly. When the debate reaches its end, let me know and I'll take it from the forums.

So, I'd ask her

Anyways,

Position: I agree that it would be rather hard to get Transmutate to do anything, so she probably wouldn't do anything "officially". Probably help Rhinox around the base, do a little bit of maintenence and once in a while use a few secret weapons in dire situations.

Interaction: Yes, Silverbolt would definetely care for her as would Rampage (even if she fought for the maximals). Rattrap would not get along with, her and most of the other maximals would just about ignore her, except for Optimus, who would care (though less than Silverbolt) and assign to tasks, etc.

Depending on what faction she went with, the predacons would just shoot at her. Oh what the heck, it doesn't matter what faction she'd go with, they'd still shoot her.

[Beastly]

r we voting?^.^ how do we know who wins the debate or is there no winner

[Blazemane]

r we voting?^.^ how do we know who wins the debate or is there no winner

I don't think there's a vote. I belive whenever we think that we've said (and argued) all that we want to on matter, it's going to sit around for a few days, and then we're going to be like: Alright, debates over!

I don't know if there are going to be winners really.

[VelociBerg]

HMMM. An interesting question. Let's see...

Faction:

I'd say neither. Both leaders, for different reasons, wanted the same goal, to dispose of it. But If I had to choose a faction, I'd say Predacon. Yes, Predacon. And not because I'm naturally inclined towards them.

Transmutate never saw a difference between Inferno, when she blasted him, and Optimus, whom she would've blasted if Silverbolt hadn't intervened. The only transformers she DID recognize were Silverbolt and Rampage, respectively. Any who attacked those two would soon feel her wrath, see above. While not evil, such wanton carelessness of targets is more Predacon than Maximal.

Position:

I think, if she were to be on one side or the other, she'd be used more as a piece of equipment, and not in a role. She's just too slow for anything else, and apart from Silverbolt/Rampage, doesn't get respect from anyone, only pity or disgust, depending on the faction.

Interaction:

I see Rampage hiding her away, and developing her latent powers for use against others, notably Megatron. Silverbolt, I think, would eventually realize that perhaps doing things the way Optimus wanted them done would be the greater mercy than letting her continue on in a bleak existence of almost drone-like status.

But back to the Rampage scenario. I think that eventually, Rampage will, unintentionally, corrupt Transmutate, and then realize what he's done, what he's ruined. Rampage has shown us that he can be deeper than what he appears (and is), and realize that his friend no longer exists--and then destroy her, lamenting the loss, not of the twisted Transmutate that he created, but the Transmutate whom he met the first time.

[VelociBerg]

Soooo, seeing as the debate's been gathering dust for 9 days, can we assume its over? (Or am I just impatient?)

[Blazemane]

Well, where's Lady Ocelet?

[Jagna]

*jumps in for the sake of answering that question*

Lady O is off on holiday, but she said she's try and get back to BWInt when she could. I dunno if that meant specifically the debate, buuuuut just to let you know.

*hops away*

[Blazemane]

O.k., thanks Jagna.

[Lady Ocelot]

Thanks Jag I was going to tell you guys earlier but the short story is I didn't get the time. Sorry about that

Great beginning topic, btw *cracks knuckles*. Transmutate's a fav of mine.

Faction

Well, due to Transmutate's nature this could really swing either way, as she can't/won't see the difference bettwen Maxis/Preds or even two seperate factions at all. Megatron wasn't convinced by firepower over brainpower and wanted her exterminated while Optimus saw her as a liability and wanted her put into stasis, yet with Rampage and SB in the mix the whole debacle turns into a tug-of-war between and within factions. For me, any or none of the factions are a perfectly viable choice and that the answer would depend on TM's expected longevity within the show. If Transmutate was to survive for only one more episode I'd go with the Preds - however, for a more lasting solution the Maximals would be a better way to go (where she'd be popped into stasis almost indefinitely (and/or repaired) until the time for a new warrior was needed) or Rampage and Silverbolt could come to some sort of agreement and drop her off in a secluded reserve-like corner of the globe to wait for the end of the war.

Position

Inferno hated Transmutate because he saw her as a drain on the colony and I think that ultimately he's right. Maybe she could be given some trial form of an education to make her more useful or research could be undertaken into her explosive shields (perhaps another episode there), but other than that all she'd really be good for is a door prop.

Interaction

The only "real" interaction she'd receive would be from Rampage and Silverbolt, unless Rhinox and Tarantulus wanted to probe her inner workings. Transmutate doesn't really see herself being "torn" between her friends and unless one somehow managed to physically keep her away from the other she would be constantly bouncing between the two. The Maximals could eventually warm up to her given time but it would be harder to find acceptance in the Predacon faction (although the interaction between her and Waspy would be solid gold ). I also believe that Rampage would try to corrupt her in his own twisted way but I reckon Silverbolt would be too, telling her to be Maximal and do only good with her power, etc, etc. It's basically another battle of good vs evil, but the problem with that is Transmutate either can't or won't make the choice between the two - after all, everyone's her "friend". Once the both of them realise that I think only SB would still accept her, even if he doesn't understand - Rampage is far too malicious and unpredictable to continue dealing with a bot that he can't warp.