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A couple of questions that have been bugging me.

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Well hi there, im quite new to the forum, and dont know everything about BW and such obviously, and thats why im here for ^^.
BW and BM is so detailed and stuff, so i thought like, i should just make a thread and ask some things that i dont understand and such, and hope you guys will be nice enough to clear them up for me.
So here they are :D

1] I never watched the G1 transformers and dont know much about it, so i wanted to ask what does it have to do with BW and in what way.

2] the golddisk and the document prime has, what are it, and whats their purpose.

3] The statis pods, how are they sent to earth, is cybertron sending them or whats the deal with it, and are they full robots within the statis pod aswell, with a mind and such.

4] Did the bots have a life before they crashed, i know this is quite a stupid question but when u look at it this way, their names are of the beast they are, except for optimus, like the rats name is rattrap, like didint they have a name on cybertron?

5] The decepticons, how many originally are there, i dont know much about the g1 and stuff, but wasnt there a whole war going on, on cybertron, with 2 team optimus and megatrons.

6] How does BW fit in the timeline of the other shows, do all of the transformer shows fit in together.

7] I dont understand Cybertron and their whole society, like whos their leader and whats their purpose and such.

8] The Bw are on earth and they find optimus(g1?) ship, where megatron tries to destroy him, what was it doing there and why weren tthe bots active and such, and why were they there in the firstplace.

9] Megatron wanted to destroy optimus (g1) so that the future would change, in what way would the future change, like would cybertron exist even or what.

10] If they went back in time to the earth, how did they go back, wouldnt they like come to and earlier cybertron than they left?

11] Cybertron in BW is later than the G1, so the g1 war alrdy ended, but how could megatron be defeated on g1, and still come back later and fight in BW.

12] In BM there was this half plant half woman thing, she said something about going to another planet like they did to research something, dont understand her at all.

13] Megatron came earlier to cybertron and took over, the cybertron the took over, is that the cybertron of the past or the one that they left in the first place.

14] Whats the oracle.

15] Whats the enigma, matrix and the key something.

16] Does optimus die in the end, or is he still amongs those bots.

17] When megatron and Prime get reformatted, what does it mean, and how did they change cybertron.

18] In the end cybertron gets changed into half organic half robot, and u see our heroes happy, and what about the rest of the population they are brought back to live?

19] Does this change into half organic show in any other show.

20] How long were Optimus and co on Earth.

Well thats it for now, i hope you guys will be kind enough to explain these things to me, its been going trough my mind since i watched the show again lately, and i just cant seem to get it out of my head.
Thnx in advance guys.
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Well, I'll try to answer you're questions the best I can. Well the ones I can anwser.

1. Well G1 takes place before BW, and in BW the Maximals and Predacons are descendents of the Autobots and the Decepticons.

3. The Maximals had already had stasis pods on board thier ship when they left Cybertron. They ejected the pods from from thier ship before crash landing and from there the pods just orbit the planet until something cause one or more of them to fall the planet.

4. Yeah, it's believed they all had lives before the Beast Wars, and that most of them changed thier names when opptaining Beast Modes. But we're not really sure what thier names before the Beast Wars were.

5. I'm not really how many Deception were orignally on the ark at the start of G1. I would have to watch the first episode again, and yeah when the Great Wars began it was fought on Cybertron and it was then eventually brought to Earth.

6. I think BW takes place 300 years after G1 and BM is the sequal to BW. Those 3 are connected story-wise. But the series that have come out since BM, aren't really connected to those 3 series, with the expection of charatcer names reused.

7. I think how things work on Cybertron vary from continuinity to continuity. But I think in BW Cybertron is mostly run by the Maximal Elders.

8. Well in the beginning of G1 Optimus, Megatron, and other autobots and Decepticons crash land on Prehsitoric Earth, and are in stasis for 4 million years, and the war between them resumes on Earth when they awaken in 1984.

9. Well at the most it's known what Megatron tried to do would wipe out the Maximals, but I'm really sure what other effects it would have had on the future.

10. Their ships were equiped with Transwarp drives that allowed them to travel through time and space, but I'm not really sure if I cna explain how those work.

11. G1 Megatron and BW Megatron aren't the same guy. As far as we know, Megatron really isn't the real name of BW Megatron. We don't really know what his real name is, but Megatron is the just the naem he prefers to go by.

12. Oh that was Botanica. She was just a scienist who left Cybertron on a research mission and was on planet that had only plant life, which was why she has a plant form. That's all I know about her really.

13. That would be the Cybertron they left in the first place.

15. I'm guessing you mean the Key to Vector Sigma. All I know about that from BM is that it can drive a bot who's part organic insane and slowly kills them. Aside from that, I don't know much about it. As for the Matrix, which is suppose like Transformers Heaven or something that like.

16. Yeah Optimus dies at the end of BM. It seem to a trandition in Transformers for Optimus to die at least once or twice. But I think Primal kind holds the record, since he died 3 times.

17. I think you mean Primal. Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal are seperate characters. I once read an interview with the writters of BM, and according to them Optimus and Megatron's bodies dissloved when they reformatted Cybertron, so in other words they died and Cybertron began Techno-Oragnic.

18. Yeah the rest of the population comes back.

19. Not really. But in TFA both Elita/Blackarachnia and Sari are technorganic, but I think that bit mostly pays homages to BM.

20. Not really sure. Some think 3 years because the show is 3 seasons long. But for all we know it could have been shorter or longer than that.
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Unread post by Bling »

Thnx so much for answering, didint think anyone would take the time and go into all of those questions, you certanly made some things clear for me, thnx alot.

Only 2 and 14 left, if anyones interested xD


And @ 2, i meant that MEgatron has this Gold disk that he stole from cybertron or something, and optimus has this other things dunno what tho, so i just called it a document.

Thnx again mate :--))
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*Sighs*

Well there goes the questions for next months BWint Newsletter. Oh well. :D

Bling, I don't have the attention span to answer all of these really thoughtful questions, so I'll answer the first 5 then maybe someone else can do the next 5 and so on.
1] I never watched the G1 transformers and dont know much about it, so i wanted to ask what does it have to do with BW and in what way.
Well at first I don't think Beast Wars going to relate to G1 at all (besides Megatron and Optimus's names of course), but then the peeps in charge decided they'd throw in some G1 aspects. The Golden Disk was a artifact that G1 Megatron left instructions for any future Decepticon (or Predacon)should use transwarp technology to go back in time and murder Optimus Prime. And Ravage? Total G1 character. And then in Agenda part three, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia uncover the Ark, which is and Autobot ship that crashlanded with both Autobots and Decepticons (who had boarded to attack) aboard. I do hope you know Optimus Prime, if not... I'm not sure we can be friends. Just kidding! So Optimus Primal took in Optimus Prime's spark and became Optimal Optimus, and BW Megatron took G1's spark into his own becoming a dragon. The Nemesis was the Decepticon's ship that crash landed into the sea when the Decepticons boarded the Ark. (Whew this is long)
2] the golddisk and the document prime has, what are it, and whats their purpose.
I'm not exactly sure what document you are referring to... but for the Golden Disk, see 1.
3] The statis pods, how are they sent to earth, is cybertron sending them or whats the deal with it, and are they full robots within the statis pod aswell, with a mind and such.
In the first episode, it shows Optimus ordering the stasis pods into safe orbit. So basically the pods were aboard the Axalon, and they held crew members who were supposed to help out the Maximals in exploration. There are quite a lot of theories on what the protoforms inside are though. Personally, I think the protoforms are robots who were put in stasis, wiped of their alt-modes, then turned into a liquid metal, ready to absorb DNA or tech-specs of their new alt-modes.
4] Did the bots have a life before they crashed, i know this is quite a stupid question but when u look at it this way, their names are of the beast they are, except for optimus, like the rats name is rattrap, like didint they have a name on cybertron?
Again, there are *tons* of theories on this. Thought the most likely is each new form (alt-mode) for a transformer means that can add a new name to a list of names for their former alt-modes. The more names you have, the more impressive your resume, if you will.
5] The decepticons, how many originally are there, i dont know much about the g1 and stuff, but wasnt there a whole war going on, on cybertron, with 2 team optimus and megatrons.
Too many robots on either side to count. Well yes, there was a war, the Great War. It was staged here on Earth in 1984 I think. Optimus Prime lead the Autobots and Megatron lead the evil Decepticons.


Well, my attention span is spent. Time for mindless gaming for meh! See ya round!

DT
(Edit: Dang it Sky! Ya beat me to it! Oh well :D)
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1] I never watched the G1 transformers and dont know much about it, so i wanted to ask what does it have to do with BW and in what way.

BW could be seen as a sequal to G1, but which G1 is uncertain, as references used in BW/BM refer to events in both the Marvel Comics and the Sunbrow cartoon, so maybe it is based in a third, here-to-unknown version?

2] the golddisk and the document prime has, what are it, and whats their purpose.

The Golden Diss are just data files, the human disk was found on the Voyager space probe, whilst the Vok disk was found on Earth during the Beast Wars. The document, I assume you mean the Covenant of Primus, it's basically a data file that holds some prophecies, which appear to have come true during the Beast Wars

3] The statis pods, how are they sent to earth, is cybertron sending them or whats the deal with it, and are they full robots within the statis pod aswell, with a mind and such.

The pods were launched from the Axalon in the first episode, and they are full of rich transformer-soup that scans something, and can transform into it, if it's compatible.

4] Did the bots have a life before they crashed, i know this is quite a stupid question but when u look at it this way, their names are of the beast they are, except for optimus, like the rats name is rattrap, like didint they have a name on cybertron?

They renamed themselves after they arrived on Earth, such as Scorponok was called Clamps on Cybertron, however, Megatron named himself arrogantly after the great Decepticon leader

5] The decepticons, how many originally are there, i dont know much about the g1 and stuff, but wasnt there a whole war going on, on cybertron, with 2 team optimus and megatrons.

There are millions of Transformers on both sides, but in the cartoon, in the first series, I think we see like 20

6] How does BW fit in the timeline of the other shows, do all of the transformer shows fit in together.

All the series' CAN fit together, but with alot of retconning involved.
The series is set like 200/300 years from now

7] I dont understand Cybertron and their whole society, like whos their leader and whats their purpose and such.

Their leader in G1 is the Prime, and is selected by the Matrix (Optimus, Rodimus) or whoever was decided to succeed them (Grimlock, Ultra Magnus)
Now as to their purpose, there are a couple of reasons:
- In the G1 cartoon, Cybertron was built as a factory world by the Quintessons, who created the transformers, who eventually revolted against them
- In the Marvel Comics the Transformers were created by Primus, who now inhabits the planet itself, and they were created to defend the universe against Unicron, the Chaos Bringer

8] The Bw are on earth and they find optimus(g1?) ship, where megatron tries to destroy him, what was it doing there and why weren tthe bots active and such, and why were they there in the firstplace.

The G1 bots crashed on Earth in episode 1/issue 1 of both the cartoon and the comic, that is why they are there.
They werent awoken, because if they were, it would screw up all history

9] Megatron wanted to destroy optimus (g1) so that the future would change, in what way would the future change, like would cybertron exist even or what.

If he killed Optimus then, then he couldn't lead the Autobots to victory, the matrix would die, and either the Decepticons would have won the Great Wars, or Unicron would have devoured Cybertron in 2005

10] If they went back in time to the earth, how did they go back, wouldnt they like come to and earlier cybertron than they left?

They managaed to open a Time-Space rift that sent them home through a hole in space (like the one that DepthCharge used to get there)

11] Cybertron in BW is later than the G1, so the g1 war alrdy ended, but how could megatron be defeated on g1, and still come back later and fight in BW.

They arent the same characters, BW megatron took on G1 megatron's name, that's all, also, Megatron died in 2005 in the movie, and was reformed as Galvatron by Unicron

12] In BM there was this half plant half woman thing, she said something about going to another planet like they did to research something, dont understand her at all.

She was on an exploration mission, like Optimus' team was, her team ended up on a plant-based organism planet, whilst Optimus' landed on Prehistoric Earth.
Also, her name is Botanica

13] Megatron came earlier to cybertron and took over, the cybertron the took over, is that the cybertron of the past or the one that they left in the first place.

Megatron landed on Cybertron about 2 months I think before the Maximals, as he fell off their ship in the time stream, when he arrived, he started working on his virus and then took over (his arrival is shown in the comic, the Ascending)

14] Whats the oracle.

A shell Program that covers Vector Sigma, which in turn covers Primus

15] Whats the enigma, matrix and the key something.

Enigma?
The Matrix in BW/BM is where the sparks of the dead go to, like Heaven. The key to Vector Sigma is a key that opens Vector Sigma, and can also turn organic life into technology.
The Plasma Energy Chamber is like the opposite to the key, it destroyed Technology

16] Does optimus die in the end, or is he still amongs those bots.

He dies, he sacrifices himself and Megatron to reformat the planet and revive everyone

17] When megatron and Prime get reformatted, what does it mean, and how did they change cybertron.

The united the Organic and the Technological, which is what the Oracle needed, and reformed the planet into a Techno-organic paradise

18] In the end cybertron gets changed into half organic half robot, and u see our heroes happy, and what about the rest of the population they are brought back to live?

You see them running along the horizon at the end

19] Does this change into half organic show in any other show.

Some robots get half organic parts, like Elita One/Blackarachnia, Wasp/Waspinator and Sari from TFA, but otherwise, not really

20] How long were Optimus and co on Earth.

I think about 2 years
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Thnx alot guys, i guess i understand everything now ::D
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'k guys, I'm going to try to keep up with what has been said already, but if I repeat someone I'm sorry! You guys have pretty detailed answers already.

1.Yeah, G1 is, for the most part, supposed to be Cybertron's history before BW but it's been stated that the Maximal elders have kept a good chunk of that part of history hidden. Predacons have been said to have some better access to the history files, but chances are they're missing a lot of details too. Also, Tor is correct; a lot of G1 elements were thrown in for the heck of it just as references.

2.Think of the Covenant of Primus as their bible. The Maximals only picked that up in season 3 from the Ark; they didn't have it with them when the Beast Wars started. Like Aesir said, if you want details on the first Golden Disk (the one the Predacons stole), look into the Voyager probe.

3.The Axalon was split up into active crew and inactive crew, probably for energon conservation purposes. The stasis pods were the inactive crew. As has been already stated, the pods wipe clean a bot's alternate mode and revert the 'bot to a protoform state. Also, if the Axalon found an inhabited planet that they wanted more inside info on, they could drop a pod and let the Maximal in stasis take the form of the local life an passively observe it. Handy tool those DNA scanners, no?

4.We know 3 'bots' names from before they ended up in the Beast Wars: Megatron (who named himself after the original G1 Megatron but isn't actually him), Optimus Primal (we can assume he was known as "Primal" before the Beast Wars because of how Depth Charge addressed him after first stepping out of the R chamber in season 3 – he just called him "Primal" right of the bat without any sort of re-introduction), and Dinobot (people who were there can correct me if I'm wrong, but in 2006 his pre-BW toy was given the name "Dynamo").

5.If anyone actually knows how many Autobots and Decepticons there really were, I will give them a cookie. I keep losing track, and I swear there is someone new popped in there every second or third episode in seasons 1 and 2.

6.Like Sky said, G1, BW/BM are together in that order, and the other shows are their own thing. Some elements can be connected from show-to-show, but I believe only G1, BW/BM make up that "universe." BW/BM is approx. 300 years after the end of the third Cybertronian Great War, aka G1.

7.:D Rockin' Aesir! I was wondering how the Quintessons blended into all of that. :D

10. When the Darkside and Axalon went through the transwarp anomaly at in the first episode, it was an accident made possible by their ship's transwarp drives. I don't quite get all the mechanics of it, but somehow transwarp space and spacial anomalies can make funny things happen 0.o. Without a functioning transwarp drive, the ships couldn't go through the transwarp anomaly and would have been stuck in the past. In Nemisis part 2, there is a deleted scene in which Primal pulls the transwarp drive from the Decepticon ship before bailing out. That's how they were able to go back through the anomaly at the end of the series. Without that drive, yes, they could have just flown all the way back to Decepticon-ruled Cybertron.

15. In season 2 of G1, the key to Vector Sigma was what activated something in Cybertron's core called "Vector Sigma," which had the ability to grant life to 'bots. However, the key has the unfortunate side effect of being able to turn organic material to metal.

My understanding of the Matrix is mixed. There's the Matrix of Leadership, which is carried by the Prime and can kick Unicron aft, and then the heaven Matrix. I don't know if they are the same thing or not, and someone who has seen all of G1 may be able to clear that up?
Personally, the goo-chamber drove me nuts. I saw the Primus-becoming-Cybertron comic page long before I heard the Quintesson creation theory, so to me Primus having an organic core doesn't make sense. I guess it depends what version of history you go by to make sense of that one.

20. 2-3 years, but it's unclear. If you think about it, there are a few places where time jumps around; in… bleh, I'm having a brain hiccup. The episode when Primal chews Cheetor out for wreaking the comm device Rhinox made, he said something about Rhinox had been working on it for a month (or something along those lines), even though it was early on in the show. And then some episodes are all in one day, so it's kindof anybody's guess to how long they were actually there.

Phew…. Long live the Transformers category in Trivial Pursuit! I learned so much studying for it lol

Hopefully between all of us, things are starting to make sense! If you still have questions, please let us know and we'd be more than happy to help out. :):):)
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I appreciate the effort, thnx alot.
And yeah things are making sense now, i figured everything out by now thnx to you guys.

I started to watch all of the episodes over again a few days ago, therefor those questions popped up again, maybe some more will as i continue watching :shock:

Anyways, if waspinator would have stayed on the earth, how catastrofal would that have been for the human race, considering the fact they admired him as a GOD
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Bling wrote:I appreciate the effort, thnx alot.
And yeah things are making sense now, i figured everything out by now thnx to you guys.

I started to watch all of the episodes over again a few days ago, therefor those questions popped up again, maybe some more will as i continue watching :shock:

Anyways, if waspinator would have stayed on the earth, how catastrofal would that have been for the human race, considering the fact they admired him as a GOD
well they got bored of him after a while, and he flew back home, so no problems :D lol
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They weren't bored with Waspy, Waspy was kicked out because he was bored with them and it was hindering their work.


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Wicked Woman wrote:They weren't bored with Waspy, Waspy was kicked out because he was bored with them and it was hindering their work.


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if you look at the protohuman's expressions, you can see that they are getting annoyed with him too, them catapulting him into space was just funny :D
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Actually, Waspy got bored and as a result of boredom, he actidently ticked them off, and got catapulted. XD :lol:

But I guess the main question is just how did he get back to Cybertron?
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Just picture Waspinator trying to teach those apes how to use his gun
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